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[01 Oct 2004|01:06am]
"Well, actually, you forgot Poland."

- quote of the night.

POST SCRIPT: Poland, if you didn't know, has been considering for a while to pull troops out because it was misled.


i'd pay attention to the Warsaw Times tomorrow.
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Kerry wins Round 1 [01 Oct 2004|08:07am]
[ mood | accomplished ]

John Kerry officially handed the ass of George W. Bush to the GOP during last night's debate.

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Exit polls on the debates -- Kerry Wins by quite a margin [01 Oct 2004|10:51am]
Three network post-debate polls -- voters were impressed by Kerry, most of those surveyed said he did far better than Bush

-- CBS: showed Kerry the winner by 44-26 percent
-- ABC: Kerry the winner by 45-36 percent
-- CNN/Gallup:Kerry the winner by 53-37 percent

An ABC News poll after the debate found that 45 percent of a sample of registered voters thought Kerry won, compared with 36 percent for Bush and 17 percent who called it a tie. (Margin of Error: 4.5%)

Among uncommitted voters, a CBS News poll found that 43 percent thought Kerry came out ahead while 28 percent said Bush was the winner. Both candidates found more support among uncommitted voters polled after the debate — Kerry's support rose to 38 percent from 28 percent and Bush's to 31 percent from 19 percent. (MoE: 7 points)

->CNN Quick Vote (as of 10:55 am pst): Who do you think won the first U.S. presidential debate?
President George W. Bush 22%
Sen. John Kerry 71%
Evenly matched 8%
Total: 633436 votes

->MSNBC Poll (as of 10:59 am pst) (non-scientific)
Who won the debate? * 2,050,821 responses
Pres. Bush = 39% Sen. Kerry = 61%


Personal assessment:

Pretty much as above. Kerry really came out swinging and really did a great job of taking the battle to Bush. In so doing, he came off as extremely confident and knowledgeable, while Bush seemed to be on his heels for a great deal of the debates. (Interesting thing on Kerry's confidence: I highly recommend watching any reruns on CSpan, as they have it in what they dub "Podium Watch" -- both candidates visible in a split-screen all the time. Bush spent much of the time looking quite confused or dee-in-headlights, while KErry at times seemed to be almost laughing at Bush's responses)

Bush especially seemed on the defensive considering how many times, after Kerry laid out factual and ideological plans and surprisingly succinct answers, Bush went back to the well of "grand distraction" and "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time". Constantly. I lost count after seven times (I think) of the "wrong war" quip in a row. Sometimes he did it twice in one response. Honestly, he said it so much I began wondering how many people were going to believe he was arguing that side of things, because it honestly sounded like those were the corenerstones of his debate. Doubly so I'd imagine for people only cursorily paying attention.

That defensiveness was one of the defining bits of the debates for me. There were two others:

1) In response to a point raised about invading Iraq, Bush said something to the effect of, "We were attacked by the enemy on 9/11, and that is why we went into Iraq." When corrected by Kerry, he shot back, almost petulantly with "I know who attacked us on 9/11. I know Osama Bin Laden attacked us." Which comes across as either very confused, very out of touch, or simply not caring.

2) Last question of the evening, about Russia, Bush fairly succinctly answered it, it went to Kerry, who answered it as well, and then used his remaining time to explain an earlier open comment by Bush on North Korea and China. When it went back to Bush, his answer was simply, "Well, uh, you know my opinion on North Korea." and then went into a completely unrelated point on Saddam Hussein again, which Kerry then rightly said had nothing to do with what was being said.

These three points, (not to mention some very sustained stammering and tripping over himself that Bush did) showed Kerry as far more comfortable, knowledgeable, and in command at this debate. He soundly showed himself to be far more Presidential.

Or, as a coworker put it rather crassly, "If the election was a prison movie, this debate was the rape scene, and Bush was the bitch."
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[01 Oct 2004|11:05am]
In case someone would avoid it being buried in all the spin out there-

this debate is the first official debate that Bush has ever lost.

think about that- and consider how this may really turn on its hinges right now.
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[01 Oct 2004|11:37am]
Alright, time for some awesome election year bullshit.

Behind the cut is Michigan's absentee ballot (scanned by a friend of mine). Pay close attention to the Presidential section and the arrows...

Florida ain't got shit on usCollapse )

Wtf are they going to do to fix this? They've already mailed out an assload of these.

I guess what upsets me most is the fact that Florida didn't teach anyone jack shit. Do people not proofread this shit??

If you're upset about this, please link this post on your friends page. We don't want to deal with more shit like back in 2000, especially if you're a resident of Michigan.

If you would like to contact the company that printed the ballots, here is their contact information:

Miller Consultations & Elections, Inc., 231-869-4349

x-posted to hell and back
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Dwigh Eisenhower's son jumping party lines, finds Republican's of today distasteful [01 Oct 2004|02:58pm]

As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration’s decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.

The fact is that today’s “Republican” Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word “Republican” has always been synonymous with the word “responsibility,” which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today’s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.

Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.

I like Ike!
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